Ireland 2009 pg 99

Ireland 2009 pg 99

I dont feel like writing this morning the 27 or 28 or maybe the 29th of May. I'll have to look.
I went of to Kildare once more to see if could find the meaning of the Red Hand on the Donnelly and O Neill Coat of Arms and a few tribes elsewhere,septs and clanns of this chief of the name and king of Ailec.

But geneology does not have this. The Chief Herald at 2 Kildare still controls that.
However he was not in that day so took out the microfilm MS 93 from Hayes People Index and found a good line of the Donnellys from Henry 8ths time down to about 1790 or so.
The rebellion ends this line record from Arthur.
This was a prodistant line from 1700, with a lease from Caulfield for Dredalt and a marriage by Hugh m Terrance O Donnelly to Louise De Butts daughter of a French Huegenot physician who had come to Ireland with the army of William 3 and Mary.

There son Arthur was born in 1722 at Blackwatertown.

He married Margaret Mahon of Rosscommon, her dad an Esquire and they had 3 children.
John Donnelly of Blackwatertown who was born in October 1770 and died 1 October 1835.
He had 2 sisters, Mary
Anne who did not marry and Margaret who married William Johnston of Armagh Esq.

No children noted but Johnstons are still there in Armagh Town running their shop and bakery.

John married Rebecca, the daughter of the Reverend John Young of Armagh Ballinburough and a son was born Arthur Young Esq. who with Sofie the daughter of Michael Heogarty produced John Michael Donnelly and Henrietta Donnelly and so the entry ends.

That being noted in the record by Henry 8ths English people this the 1700s because this was probably the line of the Chief of the Name that being the head honcho of the Donnelly clann of Bally Donnelly and Gortcharan and of course the acquisition of a prodistant English connection by Hugh[Aod] to the church of Ireland prodistant faith and by intermarrage with these people.

Although this state of Chief and Marshall are noted now the last notation for those old Gaelic designations being put to
Patrick Modar Brofe O Donnelly
the child of a daughter of Henry O Neill and father of Terrance or Turlough [tower of the loch] O Donnelly who was made High Sheriff of Tyrone by Tir Connell.

His son on becoming a prodestant and marrying a french girl no longer retained these titles and privileges but was subject to English lordship and English law and Engish religion.
Why A mystery of history.
Pronti may have some records on it.

On the other end we find the Gilla connection going back to
Domnall, King of Ailec ,our Donnelly of 900 AD or so and brother to Niall.
These children both sons of Aed Findlia [fire ofthe white stone] King of all Ireland who died naturally in 879 AD.

Domnalls line coming down from Eocaid or Eathach or Echdach [horse inheritance] Chief of the Fir Droma Laigean [leinster]
gilla Meic Liacs tribe.

this fellow, a prince of the north,goes down 6 generations from Domnall I ,Ceallach, Seasasach I, Dongalach [bell of the loch] who was the Donnelly
who addopted the O Donnelly surname.
Probably around the time of Brian Borus rule as he was the king who added this adoption of surnames, that being the name of the person than alive-his patronomic name rather tahan the continuance of the old gaelic style of eah child given a name and mac the fathers given name or patronomic.

So the child in old Irish records is always identified by a first name [ a given name] and the surname of his father-- the mac.

the tribal name following, UI or UA or Tuath as usually being one known of which tribe and sept that child and his father belonged and under which provincial king as noted in the Ogam on the tops of the dolmans of 2500 BC. The deceased given name, the given name of his father ,and the tribal name.

Brian said the old notation was to cumbersome as there were now to many people to kkep track of and to many given names the same, and so in his delightful Dal Cais wisdom probably acquired from the inbred Vikings, gave out the command and it was duly noted in the lost Cronicals of Irelland by the ollams to attach the patronomic of the current 1000 chiefs to any further decendants as a surname identifying them.

However Donghalach ,or Dongaile ,became the surname of all the decendants of Eocaid M Domnall ,King of Ailech ,and Chief of the Name.

This became Donnelly by the English writing of what they heard the Irish pronounce.
Dong became Donn and Aile becoming, justifiably so, as Ai in Gaelic is pronounced 'E 'and the ending 'e 'of an Irish word is pronounced 'e '-a Y.
So Dongaille is Donnelly and some use of 'g 'is a 'w sound arrises now in the modern Irish.

The next generation of the Dongaile is called Dobhaile, his first name.
This with the 'bh' sound of 'v 'becomes Devlin O Donnelly.
the O was kept at this time and later dropped when Hugh became a prodistant in 1700 under William and Mary.

Devlins son was Ceallach [Kelly] mac Dobhailen O Donnelly Chief of the Name and Marshal to ONeill ,followed by his son
Dongalach, great grandson of Dongalach our O Donnelly, also Chief of the Name and Marsahl probably around 1060- or so as his son Gilla Mac Liach O Donnelly Chief of Fer Droma Laigean was born in 1087 AD and died at 87 years of age.

This record claims he was killed by De Coursces invasion in Down in 1176 Ad.
Which would extend the birth date to 1089 and here the old Eachdach m Domnall of Ailec ends withthe French invasion of the North and the defeat of Donlevy in battle.

There is no use of Meic in the 93 MS record but Gilla Meic Lia a great great grandson of Lia ,a Liac.
The 5th generation of a derbfine adn hence a new line for Gilla begins from the 4 generation derbfine a new sept this being noted as
Gilla Meic Liac m Ruad [ Roderich, or Ruadri] and Gilasius the Bishop of Roderick.
Is this O Concobar who died in 1174?

They are associated with St Marys Abbly in Armagh and noted in 'Corrans Annoynmous Annals'
If that can ever be found.

I take it Gilasius the Bishop of Armagh ,son of Ruad or Roderic or Ruadri was he other partner producing this child Gilla Mac lia O Donnelly [ Dongalac the dark ray of the lake]
who produced him about 1087 or 1089. Probably after age 30 this the typical male Irish reprduction age they can credit for the Meic line coming in as the great great grandson of the rock 'lia' ,Ailec.

There is a record in Keating and 'the 4', which indicates relatives of Guilla Being a Fergus Bute or an Eogain Bute.
Not known if these are his children a sisters or both children of whoever.

However the Earl of Bute seems to be a relative of the Stuart line in Scotland so possibly this continues in the Scotish records fora few centuries.
Bute being an island just of the bay entry to Glasgow.

Boteus came up when I mentioned Bute at Archieves.
The bothe meaning Mag Ith in Donegal.
So there maybe be records there right in hostile Letterkenny.
Enough for now.

Off to see if can find the Chief Herald than and maybe runup the MS files for an hour.

Need to be back at Ilac by 2 to use the comp and see if can get the mega bus from Union station in Chi and Indy on Friday the 5th whatever time that train arrives.

the Salvation Army her is in the big expensive World Wide Web site so no point of contact for that bunch on Longford St to find out if and where a sheter is on long island for the 3rd.

Kathy did find one in Douglasstown.
I think that is the home base of Donnelly.org administrator and his 'intence productions'.Sounds like a nice plcce doesnt it.

I asked him once but no reply .
Thewe people are highly non communicative online.
I am about the best poet and ollam.

judi donnelly
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16 june 2009